When the subject of Kevin Randle dropping one of his key Roswell witnesses Frank Kaufman was raised on the UFO Updates mailing list, Randle posted a note saying "The whole story will be laid out in the next issue of IUR and a version should be up any day now on the CUFOS website."
Here’s a hint of what will be in that article. Kevin Randle revealed the information during an interview with by Errol Bruce-Knapp on the November 23 Radio show "Strange Days . . Indeed."
Knapp:
I need to ask you as a couple of people have asked
us when they discovered that you were going to be
on the program. As Joe Stefula put it on Project
1947 today, “Why is Kevin Randle pulling the
plug on the late Frank Kaufman, his main source
for the alien bodies story?
Randle:
Frankly, we discovered that Frank Kaufman couldn’t
be trusted. That’s the long and the short of it.
When we began the investigation, we went and found
Frank Kaufman. It wasn’t that Frank Kaufman came
forward with this incredible tale. We went and
talked to Frank Kaufman. He provided us with –
in the beginning – limited information, and as
we got to know him he expanded it and expanded it.
Now,
as we continued the investigation there were some
serendipitous corroborations of what Frank had to
say. As a minor example, William Woody, who saw an
object in the sky fall down. Now if we go back to
the original convention wisdom that the crash took
place on the evening of July 2nd, and
the military cordon went up on July 8th - what we
have is Woody and his father seeing this event on
a Wednesday night, and going out to look for it
the following Tuesday.
But
if we plug in Frank Kaufman, then it falls on a
Friday night, and Woody and his father go out the
next day to look for it, and it made more sense to
me that way. A very minor and subtle corroboration
of what Frank Kaufman said, but there were a
number of those sorts of things. As he told us
more we began to learn more about him.
Unfortunately,
we have discovered that Frank Kaufman was making
it up as he went along. For example, Don Schmitt
said that Frank Kaufman had said that “He
(Kaufman) had been a Colonel.”
Kaufman
never said anything like that to me, but he did
mention to me that he had been a Master Sergeant,
that he had been promoted to Master Sergeant, the
highest of the enlisted grades. When we found
documentation we found that Kaufman had never
risen above Staff Sergeant. We found documentation
that he had altered to prove that he had been a
Master Sergeant. This does not speak well for the
credibility of the man.
We
found other documents as well that he had altered.
Given that and the fact that we found the names of
the nine people – he claimed that there were
nine people involved in the investigation – the
core of nine people that had come in from
Washington D.C. We found those nine names in his
documentation and of course they weren’t anybody
that he claimed they were. They were not the
well-trained highly specialized group that he
claimed them to be.
After
News Break
Knapp:
We were talking about Frank Kaufman, before the
news Kevin. There was mention there (SciFi Roswell
special) of bodies. Does that negate the various
stories that a lot of us have heard about bodies
that were discovered at the crash site outside of
Roswell, New Mexico.
Randle:
All it really does is negate Frank Kaufman. Edwin
Easley. Even though he was very circumspect in
what he said – very reticent to talk about what
he had seen motioned briefly creatures. So Edwin
easily, who I have always considered as one of the
better witnesses, even though getting information
from him was akin to pulling teeth. He did
indicate that sort of thing. Edwin Easley told me
flat out that it was extraterrestrial. Here was a
guy who was in a position to know. There are other
hints of bodies, but the testimony we have that
took us directly to bodies – the best testimony
we had was from people like Frank Kaufman, and
that’s been eliminated now. All we have done is
clarify the situation by being able to eliminate
his stories from the mix. It sort of puts us in
the position that we cannot be as confident as we
were about what the bodies looked like, and how
many there were, or where they were found. We
still have information that leads us in that
direction. It’s just not as robust as it had
been.